It was really funny. How did you decide which songs would work best as spoken word?
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The lyric content was the most important thing because I was not going to sample any of the music from the songs. My initial idea was to have it all just percussion and voice. None of the most popular songs worked, and I tried. I have these Rolling Stones songbooks at home, and I just started reading some of the lyrics, and the ones with strong content jumped out at me. After I saw how strong the message was in those particular songs, I would try to recite them in my head, and if it flowed, I used it.
The only reason why I did it was because I was pressed for time and ran out of money. There was no budget to make this record; I did it all on my own. I hope it will have the same effect on a lot of people.
The thing that struck me when I started reading and reciting them was the flow. It was so familiar to me.
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I did have a conversation with Mick when I was telling him about cutting that stuff, and we started talking about [Harlem-based poetry group] the Last Poets. Someone had a party and brought the Last Poets and they performed. Other than the Last Poets, who else were you thinking of when you came up with these arrangements?
Felipe Luciano and Gil Scott-Heron.
The hair on my arms is still standing up thinking about his delivery of that. That was beautiful. Yeah on one of his later albums on two or three tracks. You have quite an impressive list of guests on Inside Out. What did you tell them your vision was for the album? I said it was important that all the beats represented a different part of South America or Africa.
Rhythm is very important to me. It also seems relevant today, given the opioid epidemic. When I was growing up in Queensbridge, there was a serious heroin epidemic. We had more dope in Queensbridge than there was in Harlem. I have a family member that fell addicted to it who was able to come through it, so I saw it firsthand. I was able to conjure that up to help me get the vibe.
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I went online and started looking at clips of the war in Nicaragua. I wrote in English some dialogue of a girl running through the jungle, trying to run away from the war. I got someone. When she started reading it, she started to cry. I got goosebumps now thinking about that night. And Carmine Rojas is the soldier. You said Carmine introduced you to the Stones.
How is that? I got a call from Bill Laswell, who introduced me to Herbie Hancock. All of the singing on Future Shock is me. I had to use an alias because the Peech Boys got their panties in a bunch, which I thought was pretty funny because they were stealing money from me. But that record was huge. I went out on tour with Herbie — that was my way out of the Peech Boys — and on a break I got a call from Bill. Go to the airport — they have a ticket there for you.
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He met me at the airport, and we rode around London and he asked me about the Rolling Stones. The first record my dad ever gave me was a Rolling Stones record. What was the Stones record your dad gave you?
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